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in the house of representatives. in less than an hour, california congresswoman nancy pelosi will announce whether or not she'll run for another term as house minority leader. dana bash joins us from capitol hill. any early word, dana? >> reporter: well, our diedre walsh just called and said it looks like she is staying in her job. speaking with her caucus right now as we speak to talk about her future. there has been so much speculation about whether she would go, because she has yet another term in front of her where she is minority leader or whether she would stay and try one more time to get that speaker's gavel back, get the majority back. di diedre walsh is hearing she is staying in her role as leader. i was just down there moments before coming up and talking to you, talking to many democrats. that is what they said that they hoped would happen. she certainly has a lot of loyalty in her caucus. she has led it over the past ten years. she became democratic leader in 2002, has led it for the past ten years with an iron fist. she has raised tens of millions of dollars to help democrats
where he's going but he's creating some drama anyway. and then we're counting down to nancy pelosi's big announcement about her future. will she step aside as the top democrat in the house? we will learn that this hour. >>> good morning from washington. it's wednesday, november 14, 2012. this is "the daily rundown." i'm chuck todd. let's get right to my first reads of the morning. the president holds his first news conference today, since august. what was supposed to be a re-election victory lap and a way to -- an opportunity to press for his vision on a deficit reduction deal is going to be overshadowed because there are going to be questions about two four star generals who have dominated the news this week. this morning there is new information in that widening scandal about the fbi probe and the two women in the center of it all, tampa socialite jill kelley and paula broadwell. some ask why did the fbi wait to notify them about the investigation and why the director of national intelligence was not informed until election night. given that the investigation had been under way for mon
and what it all means for you with our headliners, house democratic leader, nancy pelosi, house homeland security chair, peter king, and carl levin of the senate armed services committee, and insights and analysis with our powerhouse roundtable with george will, donna brazile, jonathan karl, newt gingrich and congressman xavier becerra. >>> plus -- ♪ sugar sugar >> america's favorite tasty treat turns into another political football. is it twilight for the twinkie? >>> good morning. george stephanopoulos has the weekend off. we begin with breaking news from the middle east where despite talks of a possible cease-fire, the air war between hamas and israel is continuing. so let's get right to it. we have alex marquardt in gaza city and christiane amanpour in jerusalem, and, alex, let me begin with you. give us a sense of what's been going there on in gaza. >> reporter: good morning, martha. it's been very consistent pummeling of gaza by the israeli air force and a consistent launching of rockets by these palestinian militant groups. we are hearing the bombings going off rather incessantl
. it was a personal mistake. >> i sat down with house minority leader nancy pelosi. we'll hear more from that interview, but let's listen to what she said about this. >> so you don't think he should have resigned? >> well, that was his decision. that was his decision. my only -- >> but if you just think it's a personal matter, why should he resign? >> what happens in his life is not my business. what happens on the internet is i think stupid, but those are decisions that he made. i think he did something that wasn't good, and he made the honorable decision to resign. >> congressman king, should he have resigned? >> i think all the fact is, yes. i have great regard for general petraeus. i consider myself a friend of general petraeus, and he's handled himself with great dignity and class over the years. he's an outstanding leader. obviously mistakes were made here. i think we have to reach a stage, though, when you think of so many leaders in the past who have had sexual indiscretions and they stayed in office in the modern world in which we live, i guess it's almost like zero tolerance fo
then they would have put nancy pelosi in charge of the house of representatives. see, i think these ideas that we talked about, i think they're popular ideas. this is a very close election. >> hogan, people are going to look at this and wonder why is paul ryan still clofrping around on the same cement shoes that tanked his bid on the romney ticket and heading back to d.c. after it was a mandate that the nation spoke and put the president back in power? >> i think this largely speaks to political capital. and right now the president has a lot of political capital. i don't think he should waste that on someone like susan rice's nomination where it will be met with a ton of resistance, rightly or wrongly, that's not the point. he should use that political capital to try to ram through some of the things he's been talking about on the campaign trail for the last year, but even previous to that in 2008. paul ryan makes a good point, though. i do agree. i don't think the president has a mandate per se but a lot of political capital. just depends how he wants to spend it and the republicans, if they don
, congresswoman nancy pelosi is holding a news conference saying she wants to remain democratic leader in the house and aides said she made the announcement just a short time ago while talking with her caucus. let's listen. [ applause ] >> millions of women's votes that it took to re-elect president barack obama. [ applause ] >> yes. >> millions of women's votes who helped us elect a record number of women to the congress of the united states. as you look forward, understand that you are looking into the future. the future of empower. of women in america. you saw some of these faces yesterday among the new members-elect. i said then that they were part of the most diverse caucus in the history of the world, the first time their parliamentary body would have a party who had a majority of women and minorities. as its strength and we're very, very proud of that. i said yesterday we did not have the majority but we have the gav gavel. excuse me. we don't have the gavel. we don't have -- we have our own gavel. we have something more important. we have unity. we do not have the gavel, we do
democratic leader nancy pelosi says she won't budge when it comes to tax hikes for the wealthy, putting her directly at odds with house speaker john boehner. >> could you accept a deal that does not include tax rate increases for the wealthy? we've seen talk about a possible compromise that could leave rates the same but cap deductions for high-income earners. is that something that's acceptable? >> no. >> not at all no, way? >> no. the preponderance made it very clear in his campaign that there are not enough -- what you just described is a formula and a blueprint for hampering our future. you cannot go forward -- you have to cut some investments. if you cut too many you are hampering growth, you're hampering education, investments for the future. >> and even thousands of miles away it appears president obama is still focused on those negotiations. while touring a royal monastery with secretary of state clinton in thailand the president was overheard mentioning the budget talks to a monk. the president later clarified his comments -- >> he's not any monk. >> no. >> he has some big i vestme
's a mandate here? >> i don't. because then they would have put nancy pelosi in charge of the house of representatives. see, i think these ideas that we talked about, i think they're popular ideas. this is a very close election. >> despite a scoreboard of 332 to 206, congressman paul ryan refuses to admit that president obama might have a mandate to push his agenda, a big part of which includes raising taxes on high earners. this week the president is holding court with ally and opponents to discuss the upcoming fiscal cliff. yesterday, at a meeting with progressive leaders the president said he would not give in to republican demands to extend all of the bush tax cuts. today he will meet with business leaders. the discussions underscore the president's opposing constituencies, but according to new york magazine's jonathan chaits the president has to do what he want -- joining us now from washington, "new york" magazine columnist by god jonathan chait. hello, my friend. >> thank you. >> jonathan, so the president met with progressive leaders yesterday and i think gave them some welc
the republicans amenable to increases in taxes -- >> use the word "revenue." >> you had nancy pelosi taking the position -- $1 million, not $250,000. john mccain has suggested make it $500,000. that is where the movement is going to come, with that number. >> is there a deal inhe works behind closed doors that we don't know about? >> i don't think so. public posturing at this point. >> here is the difference since the election. the tea party is not as strong as it was. yes, the members who came back one at gerrymandered districts, but speaker boehner has more control of his caucus this time. >> mitt romney explains why president obama won the election. >> what the president is give them two things -- one, big gift on immigration with the dream act d the amney pgram. no. 2, he put in place obamacare, which basically is $10,000 a family. >> mitt romney explaining to his biggest donors why he lost the election. gov. bobby jindal, chris christie, they don't like that kind of talk. >> well, it is politically suicidal. every once in awhile in my reporterial life i think, you are an idiot -- maybe
-- >> use the word "revenue." >> nancy pelosi took the position, a good negotiating position, that it ought to be $1 million to hundred $50,000. another -- and not $250,000 bid another suggestion, $500,000. that is where the movement is going to come, on that number. . >> nibbling at the edges. >> i now, but that is where the movement comes. >> is there a deal behind closed doors we don't know about? >> i don't think so. public posturing at this point. >> the tea party is not as strong as it was. the members who came back won gerrymandered districts, but speaker boehner has more control of his caucus this time. >> mitt romney explains why he lost the election. >> the president gave them a big gift on immigration with the dream act and the amnesty program. number two, put in place obamacare, which is basically $10,000 a family. >> there is mitt romney extending to its biggest donors why he lost the election. gov. bobby jindal, chris christie, they don't like that kind of talk. >> well, because it is politically suicidal. every once in awhile i say to myself, you are an idiot. every time you
have e an nancy pelosi taking the position that it $1 million, not $250,000. said make itas $500,000. movement ise the going to come. >> we are nibbling at the edges. know, but that is where comes.ement >> i is there a deal behind clod doors that that we don't know about? i don't think so. posturing at this point. >> the tea party is not as was.g as it the memberswho came back won in gerrymandered districts, boehner has more control of his caucus this time. >> what the president did oneive them two things is it gives them two things -- one, a big tiff with the act and the amnesty program, and number two, a big obamacare, $10,000 a family. >> mititt romney explaining to s donors when he lost the election. gov. bobby jindal, chris chriristie, they don't like that kindnd of talk. well, becauause i h politically suicidal. -- is politicallyly suicidal. awhile i say to myself, you are an iot. ery me you, maybe he misspoke with 47% and we were doing him a disservice. now, that is what he meant that he said it again. >> toward t the end of the much -- hwas >> much more magnanimous. >> it
senators harry reid and nancy pelosi have opposed that idea in the past. he says the president can get them to budge. >> yeah, the president essentially wants what he calls balance. either you increase revenue or you, you know, decrease the spending or you try to find some type of balance. when he gets into these democratic side, they don't want programs to be cut on the backs of, let's say, the recipients, middle class recipients. here's nancy pelosi and how she explains that. >> whatever adjustments would be made in social security should be there to strengthen social security, not to subsidize a tax cut for the wealthiest people in america and say that's how we balance the budget. the same thing with medicaid and medicare. again, we have said we support a grand bargain. >> grand bargain. so right now, i think you'd have to say the democrats feel that after the election, they have some type of mandate. the republicans obviously don't agree, but the democrats want to strike while the iron is hot. the president certainly wants to come to a deal as quickly as possible. time really is running
there's a mandate? >> i don't because then they would have put nancy pelosi in the charge of the house of representatives. i think these ideas we talked about, i think they're popular ideas. this is a very close election. unfortunately, divided government didn't work very well the last two years. we have to make sure it works for the next two years. [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus presents the cold truth. i have a cold... i took dayquil, but i still have a runny nose. [ male announcer ] truth is, dayquil doesn't work on runny noses. what? [ male announcer ] it doesn't have an antihistamine. really? [ male announcer ] really. alka-seltzer plus cold and cough fights your worst cold symptoms, plus has a fast acting antihistamine to relieve your runny nose. [ sighs ] thank you! [ male announcer ] you're welcome. that's the cold truth! [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus. ♪ oh what a relief it is! ♪ [ male announcer ] to learn more about the cold truth and save $1 visit alka-seltzer on facebook. [ male announcer ] to learn more about the cold truth [ female announcer ] some people
@thekudlowreport. we'll read them later in the show. >>> guess what? nancy pelosi is staying. wow! in congress. as the minority leader of the house democrats. holy cow. surrounded by women democrats at the house, nancy pelosi told reporters today they were looking into the future. more women, more minorities in the incoming house. more than ever before with her decision. the democratic leadership is not going to change in the new house of representatives in january. and all i'll say is my condolences to her longtime deputy, steny hoyer. >>> anyway, stocks dropped sharply on president obama's press conference today. the dow closed down almost 700 points since the election itself. keith boykin notwithstanding. we'll look at the growing number of investor pessimists. this is not good. >>> later, markets also have their eye on a big escalation in mideast hostility. hamas declaring war on israel. this while we have no cia director. >>> and don't forget, free market capitalism is the best path to prosperity. i don't know why we have to raise $800 billion in revenues. makes no sense to me. cut spendi
on nancy pelosi after 20910 elections. >> and mcconnell, interestingly who is the pair gone of the republican establishment has won them over. he made uneasy peace with and paul. it looks to me like mitch mcconnell has wanted to be majority leader since the senate race, ever since then he wanted to be majority leader. now he may never be. things do not look that much better for the republicans two years from now than they do now. he will also face a primary in two years. >> he may or may not. back in 2010 there was a contested primary in kentucky. that caused a bit of a problem for him. people were upset with him. but he has done a lot of work to hug rand paul so close to him and he let him do about whatever he wants to do on the senate floor. when he says i want to go to the floor and cause a big stink about something, mitch mcconnell says go right ahead. he is such a talented politician. he is so smart. in my opinion i think he has done everything he can do to prevent someone -- even if someone wanted to challenge him from the right he has done as much as he can do to keep
by democratic leader nancy pelosi. then senators of both parties on their leadership elections. later republican senators john mccain, nancy gramm, and others call for the investigation on the attacks of the u.s. consulate in libya. the senate armed services committee holds a hearing tomorrow morning on the nomination of marine corps general joseph dunford. that is live on c-span 3 at 9:30 eastern. general dunford is assistant commandant of the marine corps. now house speaker john gainer on his party's leadership election and the agenda for the lame duck session of congress. top priority which is jobs. i'm proud of my leadership caucus who are going to serve. and while some of us who are returning to the leadership, we have new members and you will get to hear from them in a moment. our majority is the primary line of defense for the american people against a government that spends too much, borrows too much when left unchecked. i have outlined a framework for how both parties can work together to avert the fiscal cliff without raising tax rates and through a combination of pro-growth tax reform
as opposed to the senate, do you hear anything nancy pelosi is going to have a news conference, a press conference, later today? what do you think she's going to do? any word? >> i have no idea. no idea. >> thank you for your honesty. go get me a cup of coffee. >> did you watch this program yesterday? debbie wassermann schultz said she's staying. most of the people i talk to say she's staying. i think her body language yesterday when she was sparring with the press a little bit suggest she's staying. and if we're wrong, i won't be here tomorrow. >> let's go back to congressman ryan and his comments. the interesting thing that president obama did yesterday, he's been, you know, criticized -- was criticized a lot from a lot of different angles in the first four years of his time in office. but one of the things that the left and some in the center criticized him for was constantly negotiating against himself, that he was not a tactical negotiator. yesterday was as much as anything an announcement. he's not going to get the tax increases that he wants. that number. but he's not coming in -
's a mandate here? >> i don't because then they would have put nancy pelosi in charge of the house of representatives. see, i think these ideas that we talked about, i think they're popular ideas. this is a very close election. and unfortunately, divided government didn't work very well the last two years. we're going to have to make sure it works in the next two years. that means, i think, that both parties have to talk to each other. >> but could you see yourself supporting a plan that raises tax rates? >> i'm not for raising tax rates. >> so you won't support a plan? >> i don't want to get into negotiating with the media, but i do not support raising tax rates. >> period. >> yeah, i've been saying that my entire career. >> the fiscal cliff. i mean, there are people -- you read them, you hear them, say, you know, let us go off the fiscal cliff. that might be one way to really resolve the situation. what happens if we go off the fiscal cliff? what is the fiscal cliff? >> well -- >> i can't even balance a checking account. what is it? >> it's actually more like 2 1/2 cliffs because
involved visiting minority leader nancy pelosi. mr. morel will testify later this week as both the house and senate intelligence committees hold hearings on the benghazi attack. both the house and senate are gaveling in in about 12 minutes or so. the u.s. house coming in at 2:00. four items on their agenda this afternoon. they will gavel back out shortly thereafter. we expect them back at about 4:30 or so. a number of new members will be sworn in. we'll have live coverage. the senate meanwhile comes in this afternoon at 2:00 p.m. as well. they take up a bill dealing with hunting and fishing on federal lands. we'll have live coverage of the senate on c-span2. also coming up this afternoon, a number of house -- new house members, democratic members will be meeting with reporters and also nancy pelosi will be at that briefing, as will the head of the d triple c, chairman johns for the house races, steve israel of new york, news conference coming at 2:00 eastern. we'll likely have it for you here on c-span as the house is expected to gavel out quickly at 2:00. >> what i like about c-span's c
that washington doesn't see coming from cutting the workers' hours, to cutting workers period. nancy pelosi says she remain democratic leader in the house. iceberg six. enough said. iceberg eight. not one small business leader invited to the white house. why invite the doomed to their own execution, i guess? iceberg nine republicans offering revenues but of yet, as i said, not a word of a counteroften from democrats in return. what is the return here? sack. iceberg ten. moody's and circling like sharks to take a bite out of the credit rating. taeven before the first victim hits the water. it could go on but why bother? you get the point. so many icebergs, so little time. let me be clear here, all of my populating is based on what i am hearing not what might be happening. hopefully behind the scenes. maybe cooler, wiser, less hysterical heads are quietly and doubtfully cobbling together a fiscal plan to keep the shift afloat. i can ignore the total bull ship. i am hearing from the politicians in front of open microphones. because what i'm hearing, i don't know about you, but what i am hearing sca
but at the end of the day, very tough compromises will have to be hammered out. >>neil: nancy pelosi said, not to touch entitlements talking generally about medicare and medicaid, and social security, and a letter circulating in the senate senators harken and rockefeller of the same sentiment. do you agree? >>guest: we have different approaches for saving money. if you save money the way we did in affordable care act by reducing costs but not simply transferring rising health care costs on to the backs of seniors that is the approach we put forward. >>neil: you are not in the camp that says don't look, the let are circulating in the senate says don't even look at them. >>guest: i have not season the letter but the same senators voted for the affordable care act and they agreed we needed to change the incentives in the health care system. what we have said, we will look at ways to bring down health care costs over all moving away from the strict fee-for-service system in medicare which we have begun to do. we can build on that. but we will not take a system like the voucher systems that ha
question. >> all right. a lot of questions about nancy pelosi and whether she will continue on as your leader. will she or won't she? >> you know, i think that's probably the hottest question in the capitol right now. but personally if you ask me, i would be shocked if she left. you know, would really surprise me if she stepped aside. nancy pelosi is someone who absolutely loves to be part of the architecture of big major decisions, the big issues. we wouldn't have health care reform without barack obama and nancy pelosi. and with the fiscal cliff issues and the big economic decisions we're going to be making it would be hard for me to imagine she walks away. plus, you know, we had a successful election and we've got a job to finish. so just knowing her, that's my gut feeling. >> did you guys have a successful election? because -- >> you mean in the house? >> yeah, obviously the president won big, the senate won big, but the republicans are still in charge of the house. >> yeah, they are. but, look, i think if you look at -- if this election were not right after redistricting, and if y
on this topic, they'll get plenty of help from our side. >> there's been talk about nancy pelosi and the speculation that she's going to step down as minority leader. have you heard anything about that and what are your thoughts about that? you're returning to work tomorrow. >> well, i got in trouble two years ago when i was asked that question because i really didn't at that time think that then speaker pelosi was going to want to be minority leader. if he wants to be minority leader, she will have that job as long as she wants it. she's been a tireless worker for the party. if she decides to step down, i think actually the leadership pieces will fall into place pretty quickly without contention in the democratic caucus and we'll have a very, very strong leadership contingent going forward in this congress. but right now, she hasn't laid her cards on the table. i assume we'll learn more later this week. >> i think that was a really good answer. i don't think you can get in trouble from that. you did a great job. congressman, thank you for your time. >> thanks, thomas. >>> florid
the next year in the next 24 hours. will house minority leader nancy pelosi stay or go? pelosi has been coy about whether she plans to run for leader again. tonight she meets the top democrats. tomorrow morning another meeting with democratic leadership as she prepares for a meeting with the full democratic house caucus. will we know her plans by tomorrow night? smart money still says she probably doesn't run again, but two years ago that was where the smart money was, too. if she doesn't run, steny hoyer is as close to a shoo-in as you can get to replace her. there's just not the votes for somebody else to challenge steny hoyer but you never know. then there is defense secretary leon panetta. he was asked about his second term plans on the plane traveling to australia, and he told reporters, quote, it's no secret that at some point i would like 0 to get back to california. panetta is likely to stay in the post through the budget negotiations and possibly through the spring when they do the next round of budgets. so does that mean he's willing to stay in the pentagon for four more years? fo
by a full house vote. there was some buzz about whether nancy pelosi would continue on as the top house democrat, which she told us today. >> my colleagues made it very clear and in fact i think they must have coordinated with each other because their message was clear, don't even think of leaving. >> if the next congress is anything like this congress, you can expect plenty of boehner vs. pelosi battle, shep. >> shepard: mike emanuel at the retundra, thanks. now the storm aftermath. the long road to recovery continues after historic storm sandy. we have details now on the legal battle over the power outages that have lasted more than two weeks in some cases. plus, you will hear a top u.s. official threaten to punch out a reporter. you will probably like this. they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over the centuries. the strength of a global financial leader. the heart of a one-to-one relationship. together for your future. ♪ >> shepard: the f
here a while. you've seen a lot of these meetings. most likely a photo op before the weekend. nancy pelosi was saying yesterday that she would welcome a number that both sides could start working toward and some republicans also say that. do you think there is any hope that maybe by just november, the end of november, there could be consensus on, okay. here's the top line where we're going to write the bill to. do you think that is possible? >> i don't want to minimize the difficulty ahead but i definitely think and get the impression from everything that both sides have said post election that there is some hope here in part. and greater hope for an agreement in the shorter term. there will be a lot of work that would have to be done next year to fill in the details but more of a chance of a deal now since you have the same cast of characters back at the table than you would have if mr. romney would have been elected. they know each other. they've talked about these issues before. they've already winoed down the issues. >> fascinating. if that becomes true. we'll talk more and get
't happen. >> i think i saw john boehner and nancy pelosi sharing a rootbeer float out of the same straw at johnny half shell. it's the dawn of a new era. i'm positive about it. >> a lot of important things happened this week. i wasn't totally shocked by any of them, even though the pets russ scandal was a bit surprising. the thing that shocked me the most was, i went to see "lincoln" and it sucked, it was terrible. it wasn't really about the soul of the country as i was led to believe it was going to be, and daniel day-lewis is incredible, he will be in the best actor oscar race but the film -- i want those 2 1/2 hours back. >> toure, we did like another movie though. >> "argo." >> i saw it. >> three thumbs up from "the cycle crew cycle" crew, krystal hasn't seen it yet. >> we were concerned that after the election we would have nothing to talk about, and that's not been a problem. i mean, even on oyour crazy lon list, romney thrusting himself back into the spotlight, even boehner and obama shared a light-hearted tomorrow. >> tomorrow is speaker boehner's birthday. for those who want to
at this and moving on it. but with now 45 days to go, you know, i think the minority leader nancy pelosi's goal of christmas is a good one. it's probably also realistic that it won't happen before then. >> what about to both of you, if, if we get the money, say we get this trillion dollars one way or another, is there a guarantee, nancy, to you first, that, that this goes to reducing the deficit? i mean, do we have that guarantee? is there any way it could be spent? >> well, i feel like the president has talked about spending some of that before on infrastructure projects, and the idea of creating jobs. but i do think that the bulk of it will go towards reducing the deficit. that's something that both parties agree really has to be tackled. and the problem is that if they don't tackle it now they'll have to tackle it down the road. so i think that this will be -- this is one of the few shared goals that they do have, taking that money to reduce it. >> you agree, ed? >> yeah, absolutely. i think you mention infrastructure. i mean, that is one possible spending program or stimulus-like proposal t
? >> well, nancy pelosi seems to think, as she was mixed up with the 11th and 14th amendment in raising the debt ceiling, the congress and the president needs to work together, but as for numbers, the congressional budget office came out with a recent report saying if you do what republicans want to do, it will only have the economy grow 1.5%, if you do what obama wants us to do, 1.25%, so, jamie, for it to actually come to a compromise, it just can't be a discussion about tax increases or not. you're going to have to cut spending and have entitlement reform. so, i do believe that they're going to go to a compromise, either speaking of the fiscal cliff and hurting seniors. if we go over the fiscal cliff, it will hurt all americans. >> jamie: i understand, thank you both so much for weighing in. great discussion, doug schoen and angela mcglowan, angela the optimist. (laughter) >> good to see you, it was an extremely tight election, over now in arizona, barber has won the 2nd congressional district narrowly beating out the republican. and the voters had picked barbara to fill out the rem
nancy pelosi smacked down without the slightest hesitation. >> we've seen talk about a possible compromise that would leave rates the same but cap deductions for high income earners. is that something that's acceptable? >> no. >> not at all. no way. >> no, the president made it very clear in his campaign there is not enough -- there are not enough -- what you just described is a formula and a blueprint for hampering our future. >> yes, it does seem that the gop's new ideas look a lot like their old ideas, which were just litigated in the election and lost. of course, mitt romney's chalked that up to gifts from the praez's president's camp. how is that going over? >> i just think it's nuts. i mean, first of all, it's insulti insulting. this would be like walmart having a bad week and going the customers have really been unruly. >> we'll grant mr. gingrich his share of schadenfreude but surely mr. romney is getting more support in other republican quarters for taking on the takers. >> we're in a big hole. we're not getting out of it by comments like that. when you're in a hole, st
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